it's not only defense, but as i see so eloquently stated, it is to defend ourselves ultimately against a tyrannical government if that happens. the difference between liberty and tyranny is if you have a government that is afraid of its people, you have liberty, if you have a people afraid of their government, it's tyranny. >> do you believe that, that you're going to rise up against a tyrannical presidency in your country? >> i would be the first one out there leading the country. we have three boxes in the country, the ballot box, the soap box, and then the bullet box if it's necessary. the government needs to be afraid of its people. then it will serve the people of this great republic. >> james, what is your view of that? >> well, i guess i approach this on two levels. on the merits of what the second amendment is and is not for, i would have a different view of its historical purpose. the framing of the second amendment talks about a well regulated militia. we would disagree there. as a matter of political reality, however, i have come to believe after living around a lot of the w